I went to the U. of Georgia in 1962 to play golf on one of the best golf teams in the Country. John is an aging, yet avid golfer, writer, 9-point-something handicapper living back home in New England after a 22-year exile in Minnesota. They got replaced but it wasn't the same, and not as if MacGregor will replace yours now. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, Tommy Armour Silver Scot Cavity Back Forged. Titleist SM6 50 F Grind 845 FS. I bought my 845c on ebay for $130 brand new and the musclebacks used for $63.00. Irons are solid and give as good a feel as my Titleist 695MB or Nike VR Pro Combo's. These clubs have been well kept and are in great condition. With TA going through so many changes, I don't know who exactly is Customer Service. Classic set! in Destinations and Travel, By One other question for anyone out there. Both good mornings out and still time to meet the family for an afternoon at a theme park. August 1987 was eventful for Tommy Armour, as British conglomerate Hanson Trust bought Kidde, Inc., lock, stock, and barrel for $1.6 billion. Tommy Armour VCG Forged 60* 8* Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S200 Shaft New Grip Lefty . $52.99 shipping. Thanks for reply. Awesome!!! Every cavity balanced 845s iron has its sweet spot engineered just where it should be in the precise physical and optical center of the club, resulting in a much larger effective hitting area.. Clear editor. I should have known something wasnt right. Single Irons; Putters; Wedges; Fairway Woods/Hybrids; Drivers; Golf Bags; Wanted Tommy Armour Golf Clubs & Equipment Tommy Armour Drivers 845 Forged Persimmon 845 FS Silver Scot 845s HTS Steel 845s Ti Face Ayrtime EVO 300cc EVO 300cc Plus EVO 420cc Hot Scot Hot Scot 855s Ti 100 Tommy Gun Ti . Played these for ten years or more till a club pro said get in 20 century. MATERIAL GRAPHITE . Huffy Chairman Don Graber said, This acquisition is a significant step forward toward our strategic vision of positioning Huffy for future growth as a diversified, branded sporting goods company.. Fairway Wood. I played the MacGregor MT (1972) "flatsole" irons from 1974 to 1994. Hoeflich is one of my golf heres as I used to bang the drum for Nickent Golf years ago when they were a true up and comer. 845 EVO V-25 (Forged) Year 2000; Brand Tommy Armour; Head Weight 254 "C" Dimension 1.130; Basic VCOG . Newer ones didnt seem the same so ended up with Titleist DCI. I haven't noticed the inserts getting nicked or dented, but I think you're right it's not worth messing up a nice piece of wood. , please correct me if I have misspoke on the price but I know they were expensive . Come on Dicks, you can do it, show us something worthy of the name/number. Pasted as rich text. A deal was finally struck in July of 85 and, after working out a deal with the Armour family (Tommy Armour died in 1968), PGA Golf officially became the Tommy Armour Golf Company. They are definitely trying a few new tricks, such as a pre-worn leading edge for better turf interaction. I was ready to litigate, but I had an invitation to attend the Japanese Senior PGA Tour School Qualifier and my wife did not want to Fight. Thus, that was the end of The Tommy Armout tour. They were slippy by the back nine. By mid-1997, U.S. Industries was losing its appetite for golf and wanted out. A lot of great memories, thanks for all the history, never knew. They go far when I hit them correctly. Stealth irons vs. P790 irons - how do you decide? Mike. The 845s were a great set of irons for the price point and were very easy to play. We had 15 players in our first event, including Teddy Hayes (Senior Tour 1993) Skip Kendall Dickey Pride and Mike Brisky (All three played on the PGA Tour) Convenient. Within days of the sale, Tommy Armour released the 845s. If you have questions about this era ofg, Just buffed up, lengthened a half inch and regripped a set of MT Tourney. By the end of 97, TearDrop purchased RAM Golf for $10 million and Tommy Armour for $24 million. I probably own 18 sets of these vintage beauties. Saw these offered for around $150 free shipping and thought I'd give them a try before I spent $1000 or more on Mizuno or Miura. Tommy Armour 6 Pc Golf set in right Handed. Once Hoeflich and his team had a general idea of what they wanted, Hoeflich went to California to work with R.G. . 1P24B-V 1P24B Miniature Pentode NOS TUBE QTY=20. Up for sale is a set of Tommy Armour Forged Silver Scot Irons. The only difference is the TA's have a slightly curved topline right to the 3 iron where as the Nike's stopped at the 7. But that's to be expected when you sell 660,000 sets over a seven-year period. Titleist 915H 3 Diamana, Titleist 915H 4 Diamana Huffy, as it turned out, was sinking faster than anyone realized. Upper heel area of cavity: PAT. Display as a link instead, Im still looking for a set that feels as good to play as those did back in the dayof course, Im too cheap to actually spend the equivalent money in todays dollars on a set of irons. iacas, December 31, 2017 The course is packed pretty solid this time of the year. I've heard there is a book/catalog out there showing the clubs thru the years??? The one turn off was the small head, and aspect that has also turned me off from the Mizuno MP5. Aren't you concerned you might bust up the woods hitting rocky range balls? I learned so much not only about the 845 but about the DCI Blacks which were the first set of clubs I ever bought.. Would like to see more of these. I preferred Celebration, but thats maybe because I holed a shit load of putts both times. Since then I moved to Calloway but my 845s 56 degree is still in my bag and delivers great results in and out of the bunker including some short lobs. A story about how Tommy Armour went bankrupt? I bought mine in 1990. Both companies dabbled in golf (balls and electric carts), and together they created the Victor Golf Company, a division of Victor Comptometer. Today, a team of engineers working with computers, wind tunnels, robots, and artificial intelligence create new designs and then the marketing gurus figure out whats going to sell and how to sell it. I played Celebration and Falcons Fire( twice each). Not sure if anyone can help, but I have a set of TAs and I cant seem to find where in their history they come from. They had a nice look and didnt feel too bad. Jack Nicklaus broke a lot of face inserts and his primary driver used through about '86 was repaired many times, and this using balata. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Nice Left Handed Ping Heppler FLOKI 34" Putter w/Cover Strong Arc #327923 at the best online prices at eBay! I still have my 845s. Hopefully the 845 is resurrected as it was a great club. **These are a vintage set of irons, the grips are original and have a unique era . where there was a golf tournament. Great read on an iconic club that I fell in love with upon first sighting when looking for a used iron set. Slightly longer than standard player's blades. We have had some great matches over the years and his TAs still performs. Great story!! I live the wing back look. It was a good club but as noted in the article, wasnt supported by the retailers.. $35. I also loved the chrome finish. I don't hit range rocks or Pinnacles with mine, but have hit the Bridgestone B330 RXS (supposedly designed for slower swing speeds). I have upgraded my driver and woods a few times over the years, but I have still not found a reason to drop my TA 845s. You gotta lotta time on your hands, my man. #163961. 7.7k. I thought they looked good, and I played the irons a couple of years. Rare 1963 Macgregor Tommy Armour Silver Scot A2 Iron Set Rh, 2-11, New Grips. Paste as plain text instead, Clubs that are played need the poly or varnish refreshed occasionally. I didnt take up golf until the 90s when Tommy Armour was going out of business. Thanks John for the great article and taking me back down memory lane. FOR SALE! When the 845 came out, the guys just jumped all over it.. $29.99. We compared them. Tommy Armour 845s Silver Scot 8 Iron - NICE! I have a few sets on M85's. I'm the guy that said they may not be forged. Gloves; Tees; Towels; Divot Tools; Ball Markers; Training & Aids . The company bet the ranch on the Ti-100 in 1996-97 and lost badly, as the Ti-100s set a new standard for golf industry flops. I have studied and still use as a reference the Jim Kaplan MacGregor and Wilson golf history catalogs. Being that I have not see these in person would you consider the head size: A. Our UTry program gives you the opportunity to try out brand new products from the game's top brands for 14 days for only $25, or $100 for an iron set. The USGA won the fight but Ping won the War. The company had high hopes for the EQL one-length irons introduced in 1989 but they never gained traction. 14 watching. Year 2002; Brand . anybody have this expierance?? Standard B. Mid-Size C. Over sized? Posted July 3, 2007. Everything was just a bit more pristine. If off the rack fits you, they are nice clubs. . Tommy Armour 845 Forged Irons 4-GW (used) . Just slightly sneaky from a self proclaimed unbiased Truth Digest. The mindset, apparently, was if it aint broke, lets not spend money we dont have to fix it. Your previous content has been restored. $399.98. MacGregor introduced the Tommy Armour Silver Scot Tourney in the 1940s, predating the Tommy Armour company by nearly40 years. That's not the exact tagline for the revamped Tommy Armour 845 Forged irons. Troubled waters started churning for PGA Golf in 1982. MACGREGOR TOMMY ARMOUR V.F.Q. I then decided to gain eligibility on the European Senior PGA Tour at their Open Championship qualifier. Thank you I gamed the 845s back in the day, wonderful irons to play. The top line is quite thick, but there's less offset than you might expect . I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. i look forward to seeing what Dicks has in the pipline. $22.32 shipping. ADD TO CART. Las mejores ofertas para Putter de hoja pin Hi #020 / RH / acero ~34,75" / agarre bonito / gw5719 estn en eBay Compara precios y caractersticas de productos nuevos y usados Muchos artculos con envo gratis! single, replacement or add-on golf irons and wedges for TommyArmour 845s SILVER SCOT Irons. But if you appreciate history and the people who made it, the 845s is a reminder of simpler times when real people, like John Hoeflich and his team, created real things that mattered. Dicks apparently understands what it has in the 845s, which is why the namesake is making a comeback next month. (Ian Poulter, who at that time could not break an egg!) Sadly it also embraces the ptifalls of overnight success, there is never a first time homerun. Absolutely amazing story. No one was using graphic designers or product development people the way they do today. Tommy Armour 845s Silver Scot Golf Clubs 2-9 PW + Putter $75 . Hello. Hey John I don't have a reference for you, been looking for one for years myself, just had to comment on those clubs. Apart from that it was presented nicely. About eBay; Announcements; Community; Security Center; Seller Center . how forgiving are these irons? Ad posted 2 days ago Save this ad . Wonderful article, John. "The original forecast was 7,500 sets and I think we shipped over 30,000 in 1988", said John Hoeflich. Pat. Single Irons; Shafts & Components . . **TOMMY ARMOUR GOLF TRAVEL BAG** $150 (Honolulu) . TA1. They cant afford for too many things to go wrong. I take them out whenever I feel I hit the ball well and, forged or not, with the Rifle set-up, they are excellent. NEW RH Cobra LTDX Iron Set Steel REG-5-G. Ben Hogan APEX PC 3-E Iron Set? I havent played with them in a bit they were great clubs got me hooked on golf. Somehow a TA club almost always makes it in the top 5 or 10 recommended clubs. Thats not surprising since the 845s long irons have been designed for power and accuracy. Going to take them out today. 13 watching. There is a book out there by Jim Kaplan that lists the MacGregor catalogs and history from 1930s thru 1970s. Bought 1 set of new clubs Hong Kong pings told guy who made them didnt like them. i still play my 845s and 855s what is better then these ,i bought new sets this past year to see the difference . $20.00 shipping. 1 Iron . Dicks Sporting Goods bought Sports Authoritys assets that July and is steadily trying to rebuild Tommy Armour into a high-quality, high-performing, high-value house brand. Both plays worked to perfection, if by perfection you mean disaster. With no marketing money, the company couldnt promote new products, which was fine because R&D had no money to develop new products. I put a special tri wall shaft in them when I worked at True Temper. I have a set and heard they were made by MacGregor also. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than Canadian dollars and are approximate conversions to Canadian dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion Page One says cut expenses by slashing R&D and marketing to the bone. Page Two says cut prices to make the sales numbers look good to investors, margin be damned.. Great club! $69.99. Now, if the club has cracks, a loose insert, the wood is proud around the insert, loose whipping, or the finish is gone, I wouldn't hit it with any ball unless I didn't care about it. very well written. Welcome to TST! Tommy Armour Mens 845s Silver Scot Irons 3-PW Stiff Steel Set. Standard B. Mid-Size C. Over sized? They have been played very little as I have not been able to play that often and when I do play I use one of three sets of clubs. Titleist SC Studio Design 2.5/Cleveland HB 11S. I also busted 2 PGA Tommy Armour fairway woods back in the 70's by hitting them a little in the heels. I got to play OCN when I was there a few years ago, and I get to play at Trump one a year or every other year as part of our local inter-club league. The Titleist DT Solo and the Wilson Staff Duo work quite well with wooden clubs, if the club is in decent playable condition. But that's to be expected when you sell 660,000 sets over a seven-year period. Upper toe area of cavity: CAVITY BALANCED. Tommy Armour 845S Silver Scot Single 4 Iron Tour Step Stiff Steel Mens RH 38.5" . Too many things did go wrong for TearDrop. By 1977, Victor Comptometer was purchased by Kidde, Inc., a New Jersey-based maker of everything from Jacuzzi bathtubs and Farberware housewares to lighting fixtures, fire protection equipment, and hydraulic cranes. The clubfitter for my replacement set said I should keep the MT irons for historic purposes. Would it also surprise you to learn he was not an engineer or even an experienced club designer? Tommy Armour Forged Silver Scot Blades?? 5 Testers Needed! Ive still got them, minus a long-lost five iron and didnt switch to a new set of irons until 25 years later. I sent the irons to my Dad, and he like the distance and forgiveness of the clubs. CPMs difference . You can guess what happened. Articles, Upper Deck Highlights Different Hockey Card Products, Re-Examining 1991 Classic Draft Football Cards, Kobe Bryants Jersey Auctioned for Over $5 Million. Same Modelsame Stated Regular FLex. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published). or Best Offer. The 845s isnt terribly game improvement by todays standards, but in 1987 it was top-shelf tech. I happen to know more than I should about MacGregor forged irons of the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's. I've also got a 'not so nice' set of Mac keyhole woods that I picked up cheap so maybe I will just hit those to get my fix. Slucker turned TearDrop around almost immediately and must have figured he could do it again. Nike Japan Forged Blade MB 3-P / DG S300 (S) Flex (8x Pieces) Excellent Cond. Im not hating on anyone, its brilliant marketing. Gilford Securities Analyst Casey Alexander put it bluntly to Crains Chicago Business that year. The company squeezed every last dollar out of those sticks, too, selling more than 660,000 sets over that time. I dont know the difference between the new irons and the 845s. TearDrop had been a financial mess until Slucker who made so much money in the hardware business he was able to retire at age 40 came to the rescue. On sole: TOMMY ARMOUR. MACGREGOR TOMMY ARMOUR V.F.Q. ADD TO CART. Thank for reminding us of that era, I had some 845 oversize as my first real set of clubs when i was a kid, good read. Tommy Armour Silver Scot Cavity Back Forged TaylorMade 2023 Product Testing and Fitting Experience At The Kingdom! That came from the back end of my buddys car, a Porsche 928, says Hoeflich. . I probably own 18 sets of these vintage beauties. The 2006 iron line has people talking and it's fun to see golfers getting excited over Tommy Armour. Well done business-lesson case story John. Well, glad you enjoyed it. Less than 18 months later, Huffy sold Gen-X minus the Tommy Armour brand back to its original owner for an undisclosed amount, but were guessing it wasnt at a profit. FORGED TI 350CC. I dropped off the youngest and the wife at Disney then spent the day at Kennedy space Center. What a great article and history, sad to say I spent the 80s sort of affiliated with Tommy Armour and didnt know it, I was selling Victor Calculators and PCs lol. Still have my 845s. Talk about hitting a game-winning grand slam in your first at-bat. Syberson,
Icons just wont go away. Model Reviewed: Tommy Armour Silver Scot MB. Not sure if theyll ever be played again, but they will maintain their position of prominence in my collection. Our largest event over the 10 year run was the St. Louis Open. I'm not sure about the Silver Scots not being forged, but the 845c and 845m are. I have a few pre-1920's hickory shafted Dayton Ohio stamped clubs. All Shafts & Components; Club Heads; Shafts; Shaft Sets; Grips; Grips Sets; . AND still own TWO (2) Nickent Pipe putters. It brought back a lot of memories. It won a few LPGA Tournaments the year it was introduced, which helped Nickent deepen the toe hold established by their most excellent hybrids. this story should eb made into a movie. Young players today like challenge of trying to hit the MT's 2 iron. My first set of clubs ever was the 845s when i was 12 years old. Fred Couples played the 845s and both Freddie and John Daly played Maxfli. M85 forged w/ T. T. Tourney regular flex shafts. Played the silver scotts for 12 years, even carried the 0 iron for awhile! That sure as shootin could have been written in 2020, couldnt it? $499.99 *. eli_yates; Nov 19, 2007; Golf Equipment Talk; Replies 4 Views 5K. Yes they are weaker lofted by todays standards (for example my Callaway Diablo Edge 7i is 32deg, the same as an 845s Silver Scot 6i). Being that I have not see these in person would you consider the head size: A. During the next two years, Maltby introduced eight models based on the 845, with all assembly done by Golfworks. MacGregor Park in Dayton built to allow golf club tryouts in 1920s, Hidden golf course once home to golf club manufacturing giant, LIV Golf Tour (was "Alternative" Tours, Phil Cancelled), "Playing From a Position" la Jim Venetos. Dri-tac midsize grips than my my irons are even worth but it was totally worth it to me to make them even more playable after all these years! WE compared 4 irons and the length and sole were pretty much the same. Ill always be proud to have been a part of building one of golfs iconic weapons. Im rooting for the latest incarnation to be a big success. THose were good times. We still love the Beatles and, even though Elvis has been dead for more than 40 years, hes still Elvis. i hit a shot with the newly purchased tommy armour silver scot hybrid 18* stiff shaft model and it goes right down the middle roughly 230 yards. Nickent Genex 3DX 21* - Dynamic Gold SL By 1999, Tommy Armour released the TA 845 EVO line, the first true replacement for the 845s. . Probably just me. i went back to old faithful s. I acquired a set of Macgregor M75 Tourney irons and MT Tourney woods that have LTWA stamped on the bottoms. Still playing 3 Nickent hybrids (a 2, 3, and 4), and still hitting them well. Free delivery and returns on eBay Plus items for Plus members. I always wondered what became of the PGA brand. SN# M2217. The plan paid immediate dividends with staffers Jim Gallagher and Davis Love III copping wins that first year. Single Irons; Shafts & Components . buisthreeputt; Jul 31, 2005; General Golf . $499.98. I was an English teacher and I had a friend who helped me get a job as a sales rep for MaxFli golf balls, Hoeflich told MyGolfSpy. Scotty Cameron Teryllium. I got mine on ebay for $158 shipped from proshopwarehouse.com. If they crack it wouldn't be a big loss. Theyd also show the 845 and the customers would say, Im only going to stock one club, do you want it to be the 845 or the EQL? The sales reps were no idiots. I think MGS missed the boat on their review of this club. That why I bought a set for my collection. Maybe a little too much offset, but I needed it back then Like the Eye 2s and 1st gen Big Bertha, the 845s just wanted to go straight Lets see what this roller coaster will bring us next. Way before I had interest in golf, but my hometown has a lot of history with MacGregor. I actually gave them to my brother in law about 10 years ago and he just had them re-gripped and is still using them. Well Done $, I still have my set . Feedback. There were a lot of people involved in the success of that club but Im really excited to see what Dicks does with it.. I bring em with the old blades and hit the blades mostly. Some irons just happen to be very stiff and brittle and others very soft. Well Done, John. The bad news is an old business truism that says manufacturers rely on new products for long-term, sustainable growth. Greens were slower than I expected( I guess about a 9-9.5) Buy why? They looked relatively low played, Ive since added a SW and GW (W4).