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Hed been blaming him for so long and the bad blood and complicated history between them runs quite deep e.g. The book also mentioned that the 4 clans had tried to summon his soul after he died, but he did not respond. Clan In retribution, Jin Guangyao reminds Jiang Cheng just how easily he had allowed his jealousy and pride to keep him from protecting Wei Wuxian. [50], Jiang Cheng appears near Gusu to save Jin Ling from a serpent-like creature, thereby encountering Wei Wuxian a second time before the Stone Castles. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. [36], When Qin Su kills herself in the secret treasure room of Golden Carp Tower, Jiang Cheng angrily demands an explanation. I can't really speak about Chinese culture, but maybe differences here could explain why some of this was glossed over. Point is, I think, he knew the other dudes he was torturing were not WWX, so he just used them as dummies for his little anger problems, and when he saw WWX resurrected and shameless ofc he just wanted to release his anger, that's why he patted him gently on the back with Zidian. Its pretty clear that it was suicide. The Author knows that Jian Cheng will be detested. What am I? He picked up Chenqing and refused to give it to JGY in exchange of Suibian because he knew that WWX would look for the dizi not the sword. [24], He shouts at Wei Wuxian to stop the corpses from attacking her, but realizes that Wei Wuxian seems to struggle to maintain control. Wen Ning then appears with Suibian in his hands. I think if theres anyone JC actually hates, its himself and that again is because of his parents. Now that's all the numbers of reasons I think Jiang Cheng wronged Wei Wuxian and others mainly because he was choosing to look the other way or because he was acting like a spoiled brat. You can love someone that you can't stay in the same room with, too. They are then saved by Wei Wuxian's return as a demonic cultivator. !<, I look at that scene differently. A subset of the letters Jiang Cheng never sent to Wei Wuxian. But then why would he try to exorcise Wei Wuxian's spirit by using Zidian on Mo Xuanyu? Animation This leaves me with the question about how did Wei Wuxian actually die? It must've been suicide. Join the online community, create your anime and manga list, read reviews, explore the forums, follow news, and so much more! Do I deserve to be blinded by all your dazzling splendor?! "You are anxious. I didn't feel it was "bad writting" or disappointing. Press J to jump to the feed. Besides I don't know what to think about this falling scene. Someone here has a theory that Nie Huaisang saves and locks Wei WuXian's soul in secret. I was under the impression that Wei Wuxian never really blame Jiang Wanjin for anything he did to him specifically, but he was enraged when the other talk bad about the Wens he was protecting or Lan WangJi. It's hard to start loving someone after 13 years of hating. Jiang Cheng was born the second child of Yu Ziyuan and Jiang Fengmian. Manhua Wei Wuxian probably feels better ultimately now that he knows that Jiang Cheng knows the truth. Its really hard for me to accept that WWX who w as repeatedly described as having a hero complex never felt guilty for murdering innocents, sure he might not have liked the other cultivators but he would not have been fine with just killing them when they provoked him?? When Jiang Cheng leaves to hunt Wen Ning, Jin Ling frees Wei Wuxian[35] and flees before his uncle's return. However, once Wei Wuxian appears and begins to battle them, Jiang Cheng realized that Jiang Yanli is also present. [48], After the death of Su She renders Nie Mingjue even more dangerous, Jiang Cheng realizes that Wei Wuxian is the only one who can save them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What i mean is that i am not sure how much "time" he have to deal with this guilt. No "Do you need any help, or just some silent company?" For the same reason, he takes a sword cut for WWX, brings him back his dizi, and chooses to let WWX walk away and not stop him or burden him with the knowledge that the reason he lost his core was to save WWX in the first place. Also Wei Wuxian wasn't a threat to the cultivational world, they all knew of his unorthodox cultivation of course, but no one was really treating him as a threat with even people showing up at the foot of the mountain because they wanted to join the "sect of Yiling Patriarch", its only after Jiang Wanyin goes up the mountain, and argues with Wei Wuxian to give the remnants back to the Jin's does Wei Wuxian says to tell everyone he defected from the Sect, and what Jiang Wanyin does instead, he declares Wei Wuxian an enemy of the sect, which then Jin Guangshan uses to raise hostilities.So despite knowing everything he still chooses to hate Wei Wuxian and blames him for everything, we can say this a deep rooted mentality (in the extras, chapter 125 pre canon Madam Yu whips Wei Wuxian for no reason, he tells him he deserved it) when the core transfer is revealed, he can no longer make himself believe that its Wei Wuxians fault, hence he realises more and more of being a 'clown'.Please don't try to say Madam Yu was right in being an abusive personthis is not what she meant at all, she didnt really consider her words at all, in XuanWu cave, if Wen Sect is openly saying to kill two sect heirsdo you think they would have let everyone else leave alive? They grew up as brothers, they both sacrificed themselves for each other, so theres some element of love and care for each other. No Archive Warnings Apply; Ln Zhn | Ln Wngj/Wi Yng | Wi Wxin; Ln Yun | Ln Szhu & Wi Yng | Wi Wxin & Wn Nng | Wn Qingln & Wn Jin Ling divides his time between Yunmeng and Lanling. Yeah actually you got a point I mean if i hated someone for doing something for 13 years then i knew he didnt do it, itd still be hard for me to be normal toward them again. [ I haven't read the novel but the English version is being released next month so I'll read it then ]. , Although Jiang Cheng always dislikes Wei Wuxian, he actually cares about Wei Wuxian very much. I don't even need to read ur entire post "he got angrier and angrier" yep. Tags. Wei Ying states this repeatedly to.someone lol Soooo if he did indeed lose the will to live and took measures to ensure his death, or was just satisfied with being dead, how was he summoned back? But no Jiang Cheng doesn't care about that, he just wants all the Wens dead because of the actions of two people. Hence he decided to continue living. Jiang Cheng hurries back to Yunmeng on foot, and he and Jiang Fengmian return to save them seven days later. He begins to capture all cultivators whom he suspects are possessed by the soul of Wei Wuxian, taking them back to Lotus Pier for torture. Like I said at the beginning, the more he waited the angrier at WWX he got. The drama version is "dumbed down" but it gives you a little more insight into the rest of the characters. When he attempts to sneak back inside, he is caught by Lan Wangji. Although he does acknowledge his fault in everything, it's kind of glossed over and it seems like most of the fandom chooses to ignore it. Recognizing the danger, Yu Ziyuan takes Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian to a boat and binds them with Zidian. [44], Jin Guangyao then feigns an attack against Wei Wuxian. When his arguing parents leave, Jiang Cheng attempts to leave too, but Wei Wuxian insists on speaking with him. I agree that WWX shouldnt have gone full dark and angsty but I did want those feelings of his to be explored more, Im disappointed that the author left so much of that up to readers interpretation. He also insisted on keeping his surname. Mrs. Yu bound Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng with purple electricity, protecting them well, but she kept the last dignity of the . Lan Wangji ultimately kills the corpse to save her, and Jiang Cheng holds the injured Jiang Yanli in his arms. And then JGY does it again at the temple and blames him for everything that happened to WWX (which is pretty inaccurate). While he's waiting for Jiang Cheng, people from Qishan Wen Clan including Wen Chao found him. More helpful answer: From JC's POV, WWX did a lot to personally betray him: his actions stirred the wrath of the Wen Sect leading to the death of his parents and Sect. Discussion Conference at Golden Carp Tower, More Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation Wiki. Plus if he really wanted him dead, he had the perfect opportunity while LWJ was holding him but he deliberately missed. [39], Eventually, Wei Wuxian decides to risk his own life to allow the cultivators to escape. JC grew up 13-16 years resenting WWX. Wang Zhuocheng (adult)Huang Zhenchen (child), snd lit. jiangcheng, mdzs, weiying. However, he said that it doesn't matter how he died. [43] He forces Jiang Cheng to pull the sealed sword from its sheath and reveals that Wei Wuxian had given Jiang Cheng his Golden Core. [21], However, once Jiang Yanli becomes engaged to Jin Zixuan, Jiang Cheng helps his sister sneak into Yiling to show Wei Wuxian her wedding robes. But I have noticed, neither in the donghua nor the novel was it ever confirmed that he died from the backfire of his army. After finding out that the reason WWX acted the way he did and the reason he continued with demonic cultivation even after losing control once is because he gave JC his golden core, a lot of WWX's earlier actions now look less like "WWX being an asshole for fun". This is what wei wuxian meant when he said a soul that no longer wants to be in this world. Also I am not sure how "dead" Wei Wuxian was during those 13 years? In the end, Jiang Cheng stabs Wei Wuxian, Wei Wuxian summons Wen Ning to break Jiang Cheng's arm, and the two leave cursing each other. Do I think JC devoid of the bs of the world, especially his mothers bs ever hated WWX? When Wei Wuxian died, it had only been nearly three months (Chapter 79) after Lan Wangji hid Wei Wuxian in the cave, fought 33 Lan sect elders and was subsequently punished severely. Not even lan zhan could reach his spirit. Jing Wnyn wn night yn to chant According to various people in the novel including Wei Wuxian, he died because his powers backfired, and he was ripped to pieces by his corpses as a result, but nobody ever says that it happened when he destroyed the Stygian Tiger Seal. The spiritually weak Wei Wuxian was tortured and thrown into the Burial Mounds by Wen Chao of Qishan Wen Sect, from where he returned . [4], Jiang Cheng participates in the investigation of the Waterborne Abyss in Caiyi Town. Can I not hate you?! Known as the Yiling Patriarch (, Ylng Loz), Wei Wuxian died in the First Siege of the Burial Mounds thirteen years prior to the start of the Novel. She married Jin Zixuan and bore their child Jin Ling. The author says JC never believed WWX was dead for good. The truth is more like whole books being brought up from their hiding . If you look at JC's actions, if he truly hated WWX and wanted to kill him, even before the golden core he could have easily murdered him with Zidian or tortured him if he wanted to, he specifically chose not to because he can't because he loves him, imo. The debt between Wei Wuxian and the Jiang Sect is wiped clean - this outstanding transaction of their relationship ended - everyone goes on their . But then something would lack there. I was expecting it, anticipating it even. From Lan Zhan to his brother. Jiang Cheng. Ultimately, he kept his mouth shut, because his pride had finally become less important to him than WWX's feelings. 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I feel like in simpler terms, he hates that he can't hate wwx, and he feels guilty that he can't love him either. Also, the lack of emotional development from wei yings perspective is so disappointing. Wei Wuxian shifted foot to foot, Lil' Apple's reigns in hand. But his arm was injured and perhaps it was supposed to mean that WWX was afraid LWJ would also be harmed? Also, I understand it's tiresome to write about so many characters, and try insert it into the narrative. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} Lan Wangji then insisted on taking Wei Wuxian with him to the Cloud Recesses, and Jiang Cheng has no choice but to let him go. Episode 1 When Wen Ning asked WWX about Jiang Cheng, he said it wasn't JC who killed him. Male He also took Wei Wuxian under his care as his ward, raising him alongside his own children. Voice Actor (Japanese) That is, ironically, what Madam Yu meant all this time but due to her own personal issues with JFM it gets lot in the bullshit. Jiang Cheng walked up and started stabbing the rocks that were beneath Lan Zhan. Furthermore, at the start of the book, he did mention that he existed as a ghost quietly for 13 years before he was summoned. I dont think hes ever actually hated him, did he want to hate him? With his spiritual power sealed, Jiang Cheng holds forth Sandu and places himself in front of his nephew. Finally, and my biggest issue with the novel was the treatment of Lan Xichen and Jiang Cheng. In the second part, they are adults, and they don't realize that they may be in danger (Jin GuangYao and the Jin sect in general is much more insidious than the Wen sect). Yes, what WWX was morally just, but it basically spelled his doom and the doom of the barely hanging on at the time Yunmeng Jiang Sect. Animation They were like brothers before everything after all. Names Novel Even finding out the truth about his core didn't really make him be nicer to WWX, tho the drama suggests so. No resolution for WWX and JC. And this is why men don't get fucking therapy when they need to it heal from thier trauma, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. He even asks Wei Wuxian about how he died. [30], Jiang Cheng takes Jin Ling in search of the man-eating castles rumored to be near Qinghe. Official "Just go pee and pass out for a few hours so we can make some progress!" "Master Wei is feeling impatient," Wen Ning commented with enough amusement in his voice that he'd be laughing at him if he were still alive. S1, Ep1. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. According to the Author's Weibo, Jiang Cheng also notices that Wei Wuxian takes on a flirtatious tone when speaking with Lan Wangji, in contrast to Wei Wuxian's tone with him. "Wei Wuxian, what are you trying to do?" "That's kind of you, Clan Leader Jin, but I won't sit. For Jiang Cheng is more difficult to know because we don't see his point of view that much, but it is obvious how heartbroken and betrayed he feel everytime his brother choose other people over him. According to Wen Chao, Jiang Cheng screamed and pled for his core, but his captors did not care. Every time Fairy's growls grew in volume, Wei Wuxian clenched his eyes shut and hid further behind the second jade. I assume is to save time as it is not possible to cover the whole book in 35 episodes (including season 3, the final season). But why did he stab the rock and why did WWX let go? Birth Name As for being angrier and angrier, JC had a lot of feelings he needed to unpack. I don't think it is that he did not feel guilty (he feel guilty enough to autodestruct in order to break the stygian seal), but that he cannot accept that guilt because that mean that his decision to protect the Wens is something to regret. [41], Later that evening, Jiang Cheng goes looking for Wei Wuxian and is disgusted to find him under a tree, caught in an embrace with Lan Wangji. Hahahaha. Also wei wuxian refuses to answer when asked what happened. In the novel I was under the impression that he was in the purgatory, paying for what he did (or wandering as a broken soul because nobody give him a proper burial?). WWX was in a bad metal state, and Jin Zixuan, a person he disliked and suspected of being in cahoots with the mob trying to kill him was advancing on him. Their realtionship is one of them. Powerful as they are, death comes for everyone. Alive Hes lost everything at the hands of his friends and had nothing left to protect. He learnt that WWX was set up, imagine that; JC resented for 13-16 years and then suddenly learnt that his senior brother was innocent. Just before Nie Mingjue can kill him, however, Wen Ning leaps in between and takes te punch through his own chest, astonishing Jiang Cheng. Mobile Game He finds it creepy. Some of it, like the Wen's attacking really wasn't anyone fault at all. Though Sizhui states that no one taken in this manner ever leaves Lotus Pier,[29] the ubiquitous understanding among the cultivational world is that he tortures them half to death rather than killing them. Perhaps given a lot of time, he might have a less strained relationship with Wei Wu Xian. ive even had a theory of my own from the anime series and such. Plus he cleared his name. Jiang Cheng wanted to kill Wei WuXian all over again for revealing such information in front of others. A subreddit dedicated to fans, by fans, of all versions and adaptations of Mo Dao Zu Shi! Even if JC shouted that to the whole world, it wouldn't matter simply because WWX blindly gave his golden core to JC. Looking at Wei Wu Xian's reaction to Lan Wangji's question, I personally think that he took his own life just like in the web series, But I am not sure of how he did so. Jin Ling is now an orphan. When Jiang Cheng knew that the son in front of him was Wei Wuxian, he was not to mention how happy he was, but he did not show joy like that. He seemed quite shook that it did nothing, iirc. He stabs Wei Wuxian, and Wei Wuxian commands Wen Ning to break one of his arms. But the most compelling for it to be suicide is that Wei wuxian himself made it clear to Xue Yang that a soul who has no desire to be in this world cannot be summoned back. Confirmed xd. November 5 Obviously Madame Yu is a huge contributor of friction - what with physically dragging Jiang Cheng between her and She embraces Jiang Cheng, appoints him the owner of the weapon, and requests that Wei Wuxian promise to protect Jiang Cheng with his life. To their surprise, they discover that Wen Chao has fled and that most of the Wen cultivators have already been killed, including Wang Lingjiao. He answersdoes it matter how I died etc..looking really sad as he said it. After JYL and Jin ZiXuan died, JC was no longer able to accept WWX and fully turned on him. Yu Ziyuan is infuriated, and turns her anger on her son when he defends Wei Wuxian, reminding him that Wei Wuxian still surpasses him in cultivation. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} JC knows WWX would never, but the rest don't. What did Wen Chao do to Wei Wuxian? ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Jgraber While their relationship still is far from mended, They do get some closure when Jiang Cheng finds out Wei Wuxian sacrificed his golden core and gave it to him. Wei Wuxian made a face in his direction. Yes it also mentions that he was torn apart. Jiang Cheng is then captured and forced to seal his spiritual power.