There are multiple methods to produce electricity: Each steam engine needs 0.5 boilers when running at full capacity. Factorio version: 0.17 - 1.1 Downloaded by: 6.01K users Summary Adds scaled up versions in different sizes for various pipes and pumps. How do you set up a reactor to get enough water to keep producing steam? Does the game consider 1 water = 1 steam (just a different temperature?) Try this checklist before you completely revamp your power source. The technical implementation details of Factorio's pipe system still have some room for improvement. My own personal Factorio super-power - running out of power. I get that offshore pumps produce 1200 units of water per second. Heat exchangers produce ~103 steam with a temperature of 500C every second. A reactor produces 40MW, plus another 40MW for each active neighbouring reactor. Heat exchanger heats 15C water to 500C steam; It takes 0.2 kJ of burner energy to raise 1 water 1C; Steam is consumed by steam turbines at a rate of 60 units per second; (500C - 15C) 0.2 kJ 60 units = 5820 kW, or 5.82 MW. by Amarula Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:09 pm, Post This can be extended as far as you want; every additional 2 reactors will provide an additional 320 megawatts of heat output. Heat pipes (also in reactors and heat exchangers) glow with high temperatures. Added high graphics quality option for the steam engine. P UMPING U NITS M EETING P HYSICS S TANDARDS This mod started off as a project to sustain my most eco-unfriendly excessive water needs by implementing some Higher Tier Offshore Pumps. If not, ensure all. As shown, making the heat pipes thicker allows supporting heat exchangers that are farther away. A heat exchanger produces 10 MJ a second, therefore it produces 10MJ / 0.097MJ = 103.0927835 steam per second. At full 10 MW load this is 103.096 water per second. Thus, they can buffer 500 MJ of heat energy across their working range of 500C to 1000C, and require 485 MJ of energy to warm up from 15C to 500C when initially placed. I concur the ratio is 1:1 cerified through testing. Additional comment actions. For more information, please see our This allows steam engines to be chained together. But the water only gets heated up from 15C to 500C, so by 485C. One exchanger 3 storage tanks plus inf heat. Heat exchangers will not produce steam until they reach 500C. factorio offshore pump heat exchanger ratio If you inexplicably want to go back to a 4 year old build of Factorio then you will need to build 14 boilers in a row (they each used to heat the water up by a little bit), followed by 10 steam engines. Any experiences/suggestions/comments are welcome. The glow of the heat pipes indicates temperature, with left ends being at the upper limit of 1000C. Thanks. Stuck in a mission? by mrvn Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:45 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. There are mods that can add landfill tiles to existing blueprints if you're up for modding and using a blueprint rather than making your own reactor, and this design is one of my favourites - not objectively "best" perhaps, but has a certain elegance that I deeply appreciate alongside a decent serving of entirely respectable practicality. It took me 4 days to figure out the ratios related to nuclear power, so I figured I'd share. r/factorio . Now you have 0 waste of fuel. Geplaatst op 3 juli 2022 door . The number of boilers can be derived from the number of steam engines: 40 2 = 20. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://wiki.factorio.com/Tutorial:Nuclear_power#Neighbor_bonus. Yes, there is also a maximum throughput for water that depends on the distance the . Not sure where you got those numbers from, but in 0.15, small pumps and offshore pumps pump at exactly the same rate: 1200 fluid/s. The optimal ratio is 0.84 (21:25) accumulators per solar panel, and 23.8 solar panels per megawatt required by your factory (this ratio accounts for solar panels needed to charge the accumulators). The flow between pipes and heat exchangers is also different to pump to heat exchangers. Someone already mentioned the normal "build on a lake" strategy. can you post a screenshot/blueprint? Using steam engines for power does not produce pollution, however using boilers to heat up the water does. These include the power generation of a solar panel, the energy storage of an accumulator, the length of a day, and the length of a night. 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Mechanical Throughput Magic (circuit-free), Frequently Suggested / Link Collections, https://wiki.factorio.com/Power_product lear_power, https://mods.factorio.com/mod/AdvancedNuclear3, https://mods.factorio.com/mod/LandfillEverything. If you overbuild reactors, you can end up wasting a lot of fuel cells without realizing it. Are there enough steam generators (boilers, heat exchangers)? by eradicator Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:43 pm, Post One steam engine consumes 30 steam per second, and one offshore pump produces 1200 water per second, so each offshore pump produces enough water to supply 40 steam engines: 1200 unit/s 30 units/s = 40. Change fluidbox height and base level of boiler, steam engine and pump to improve fluid flow. The main thing to remember is that Factorio generally follows the laws of thermodynamics; if your nuclear reactor produces 40 megawatts of heat, you can get a maximum of 40 megawatts of electricity out the other side. This means a single unit of 500C steam has 5.82MW / (60/s) = 0.097 MJ of energy. Privacy Policy. The maximum length of heat pipe you can use depends on the combined distance of your heat exchangers from your reactors. Each steam turbine take a maximum input of 60 units of 500 C steam per second and outputs 5.82 megawatts of electricity; the 5.8 megawatts listed on the tooltip is rounded. Steam engines will automatically adjust their power production and steam usage based on the current demands of the electricity network. by Honktown Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:52 pm, Post Looking for efficient setups? chrisgbk 6 yr. ago Technically the HX consumes the water and outputs an equal amount of steam. The heat can be used to convert water to steam using a heat exchanger and the steam can be consumed by steam turbines to produce power. Post Or so. They produce electricity by consuming steam, using water pumped from an offshore pump that was heated to 165C steam with boilers or to 500C steam with heat exchangers. Ratio of heat exchangers to turbines is 1:2, don't bother building lots of pipes for 10% les turbines. Here are the total requirements for certain amounts of reactors, with everything rounded up to guarantee maximum energy production. The steam production rate can also be calculated using the energy consumption: 1 Heat exchanger consumes 10MW, so it's putting 10,000,000 joule of energy into heating water/steam per second. Pump Ratio ^ 1. where game_day is the number of seconds in the game day which is 25000/60 s by default. Id probably put it on or next to either of the lakes in the middle north or middle south. by Amarula Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:51 pm, Post (Except that you can potentially turn 8 gigajoules of uranium fuel cell into 40 gigajoules of heat. by Honktown Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:34 pm, Post by mrvn Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:42 pm, Post To heat up 1 unit of water 1 degree, 200 joules are needed, so the heat exchanger is heating up water by 50,000C in total. Perfectly optimal solar network (Factorio forums), 1 solar panel produces 42KW after factoring in the night (Factorio forums), https://wiki.factorio.com/index.php?title=Power_production&oldid=182968. Hovering the mouse over a steam engine will display their current power production (Performance) and their possible power production (Available Performance), in a display on the right. If the only effect the mod has on the game is it changes the total length of one day, without changing the ratio of dusk: day: dawn: night, then the equation can be simplified as. This means that you need 1.428 MW of production (of solar panels) and 100MJ of storage to provide 1 MW of power over one day-night cycle. Remember that water in pipes still obeys Factorio physics; if you pipe your water a long distance, you may not get the full 1200/s. Valve Corporation. fox hill country club membership cost. On a lake, very carefully - they consume a monstrous amount of water, and having the multiple required offshore pumps integrated directly into the design is often worth the hassle of wrangling landfill. You can check the usage on the turbines as well as the production stat on the offshore pump. Includes pipe, pipe to ground, pump, offshore pump, heat pipe. If I know how much energy i'm outputting from my reactors -> figure out how many turbines -> figure out how many heat exchangers -> How many pumps do I need? makes troubleshooting easier. The water calculation has me stumped. HolyGarbage . Each heat exchanger takes a maximum input 10 megawatts of heat and uses it to heat water into steam. A perfect square of reactors has the highest theoretical efficiency, but at 3x3 and above you'll have reactors surrounded on all 4 sides and have no way to load the uranium fuel cells. 20. Final ratio: 25 offshore pumps : 291 heat exchangers : 500 steam turbines. All rights reserved. using 3 pumps and a tank, you can feed 28 heat exchangers. They only work when they're above 500 C, and have a maximum temperature of 1000 C. Temperatures above 500 don't increase efficiency; the exchanger will just store the heat, which it can then use later. Also iirc tanks limit liquid throuput when it flows through them, so try connecting them on the side and not in-line if you have to at all. What does clicking on an item's icon in the "Factory" tab do? See also the applied power math tutorial to answer the question how much coal do I need? Originally posted by Alaskan Glitch: The ratio is one water pump will supply a maximum of 20 boilers with water. In vanilla factorio, without mods which change any of these values, the optimal ratio will be the same. You can sideload water for a 1.1 GW plant. Steam engines are the most basic electricity generator, available to the player at the start of the game. by Bauer Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:04 pm, Post It does not require electricity or fuel to operate. Then you just connect the reactors to exchangers and exchangers to turbines, also you need about 1 water pump per 10 exchangers (in vanilla). Each turbine consume 60 water/s so 1200/60=20 turbines. Exchanger outputs to 2 tanks. I've confirmed that the true value is indeed 5.82, and updated everything accordingly. Heat exchangers will not produce steam until they reach 500C. One boiler consumes 1. Don't know how to use a machine? A compendium of the most common Factorio game facts, such as build ratios, tips/tricks, . I wasn't sure if Heat exchanger converts 1 water into 1 steam and there is nothing written in its tooltip. It takes 200J to heat 1 unit of water by 1C. by mrvn Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:41 pm, Post A heat exchanger consumes 10 MW. The optimal ratio of accumulators per solar panel relies on many values in the game. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Introduction Troubled by pipes having low flow rates? They produce electricity by consuming steam, using water pumped from an offshore pump that was heated to 165C steam with boilers or to 500C steam with heat exchangers. The current optimal ratio is 1 offshore pump to 20 boilers to 40 steam engines. A powered nuclear reactor outputs 40 megawatts of heat, plus an additional 40 megawatts for each powered nuclear reactor directly adjacent to it. In a vanilla game that's. what, 1k science a minute? However you did warn me: Save often and reload if necessary during landfilling. -adding a second off-shore pump to start off with twice as much water (in theory); -putting in more pumps, say one pump for every underground pipe; -putting in a complete second line from off-shore pump to heat exchangers with a pump every 5 underground pipes. One offshore pump can supply 20 boilers and 40 steam engines. Click on an empty cell to place a nuclear power plant. Doubled the heat capacity of water from 0.1kJ per degree per liter to 0.2kJ. It produces 1200 units of water per second. So I've run into an issue with water for my Turbines. Each heat exchanger converts 103 water to 103 steam, feeding 1.72 turbines. This layout produces 40 MW output ( 1 SRE ). 1 electric pump can keep up with rate of roughly 10 water pumps if i recall, so at least you don't need to have pump and waterpump flows in parallel. by Amarula Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:45 pm, Post If you run an odd number of reactors, you should have a 2 by X rectangle with one reactor dangling off the end. Heat exchangers produce 103 steam/second.This can be calculated by relying on steam turbine data: A steam turbine consumes 60 steam/second and produces 5.82MW (assuming 500C steam). The ideal ratio is 4 Reactors, 48 Heat Exchangers, 83 Steam Turbines and 5 Water pumps. Steam engines have two ports, allowing excess steam to flow through. Then have a simple trigger than turns your nuclear plant on and off based on the storage tank steam levels. You may also use this to rectify brownouts/blackouts. by Honktown Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:56 pm, Post All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. A steam turbine consumes 60 units of steam per second, which is 5.82 MW. This equation could also be used to remember the vanilla optimal ratio given its simplicity. However I want to do a different configuration and want to plan out how many of each type of component I need. fox hill country club membership cost. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. A theory without practice is dead, practice without a theory is blind, this quote is attributed to commander Alexander Suvorov. All rights reserved. Heat exchangers have different dynamics to actual pipes. Fresh water is at 15C while the steam produced by heat exchangers and consumed by steam turbines is at 500C, a difference of 485C, so you need 1 unit of water for each 97kJ, which is roughly 10.3 units per MJ. Refer to Francis John play through video on YouTube on nuclear power. All rights reserved. One pump can supply up to 20 boilers. Is steam able to reach all steam engines? factorio offshore pump heat exchanger ratio SmartAlec105 having more than 2 steam engines per boiler could do that. Cookie Notice This page was last edited on 16 February 2022, at 11:27. Electricity has to be produced before it can be transferred to consumers over the electric system. by astroshak Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:58 am, Post So a heat exchanger generated 103 steam per second is 103 water per second I need from my offshore pump. It's recommended to build them near or on bodies of water, as that lets you place offshore pumps where ever you want. Get some landfill to straighten the edge youre gonna use. What I can't find is how much water a heat exchanger *consumes* to produce the 103ish steam per second. Also, the optimal ratio is: 1 offshore pump / 14 boilers / 10 steam engines is that 10 for each boiler? 9.89 gigawatts is a lot. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So you have 10 + 12 = 22 pipes. EDIT NOTE: The original version of the post used the wrong output for steam turbines (5.8 MW instead of 5.82). Do the numbers in the "beacons" column represent the number of modules or the number of beacons? The throughput of a fluid pipe depends on the length of said pipe, but you can put in pumps to pressurize the pipe and increase the throughput. Geplaatst op 3 juli 2022 door . Your other big concern is fluid flow, and the main constraint is the heat flow along heat pipes. 12. And probably how many Offshore Pumps you need for them? One offshore pump can supply 20 boilers and 40 steam engines. Heat exchangers have a heat capacity of 1 MJ/C. by disentius Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:36 pm, Post Since steam is produced from water in a 1:1 ratio, this also means that 103 units of water are consumed per second. Neighbor bonuses make nuclear very efficient: 1 reactor = 40MW = 4 exchangers = 7 turbines I have been reading all about Nuclear power so I can convert my factory. Build the reactor over a lake, with careful placement of landfill you can have pumps directly feeding each end of the heat exchanger line. Give exchanger max heat you can then let the exchanger turn 25k water into steam. So the 50,000C are enough to heat up 103 units of steam per second, since 50,000 / 485 = 103.09. Press J to jump to the feed. 15 - Factorio Factorio Forums View topic - 0. If your heat pipe is too long, your reactors will max out at 1000 C before your heat exchangers can reach a steady state of 500 C, and and you'll start to waste heat. which, given the default time lengths of: day = 12500/60 s; dawn or dusk = 5000/60 s; night = 2500/60 s, and the default: Solar_power = 60 kW; Accumulator_energy = 5 MJ = 5000 kJ, gives the optimal ratio of 0.84 accumulators per solar panel. Steam that has a higher temperature than the maximum temperature of the steam engine (165C) is consumed at the normal rate (30 units/s), and does not yield more electricity. As far as I can tell, the absolute smallest perfect-ratio setup possible is: which would require an input of 1.46 uranium fuel cells per second and output a cool 46.56 gigawatts of electricity. Factorio version: 1.1 Downloaded by: 1.88K users WHAT IS OFFSHORE P.U.M.P.S.? All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. When producing power, the steam engine will display a working animation: https://wiki.factorio.com/index.php?title=Steam_engine&oldid=188232. 120 MW ^Note: Pumps, Steam Turbines and Power are approximate for easier build ratios. This means the energy that was put into the steam to heat it to a higher temperature is wasted. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Ratio of reactors to whatever is 2x2 480MW reactor to 10MW heat exchanger, ratio of reactors to miners is 1:4 iirc, so double that miners. Heat exchangers are pipes too. The more heat exchangers you want to put on a single length of heat pipe, the shorter that heat pipe has to be to ensure minimal heat loss; e.g. This produces the 1:20:40 ratio. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Each offshore pump outputs 1200 units of water per second. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. you can put 4 heat exchangers at the end of ~135 heat pipes, but you can put 16 heat exchangers only at the end of ~50 heat pipes. Sushi Belt question : r/factorio. Press J to jump to the feed. Place some pipes or a tank at the end to see if there is really water coming through.