This is speculation. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. I think investigation isnt the correct word. Ive seen cases in which political frenemies were erased out of photos without a trace. The red and black objects look like bolt cutters or tree cutter. Local authorities dont often feel a sense of responsibility to victims and their families. The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? It seems to be made up of white paint, at least like a tribal looking face of white paint. NOT A SINGLE ONE? I havent seen any discussions on this. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? And why? Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! But because of their theatrics and ignoring the evidence, the story and curiosity will continue to keep this case alive. 3. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) And if other people learn too much, they get killed too. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. Hi, there sounds plausible but there is something about this case when I start to find some closure that it was an accident OR indeed foul play, I get new evidence from the internet debunking the conclusion I arrived at. It begins to rain. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. Water bottle photo: The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. Just behind her tied hand area. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. I think the girls were made or persuaded against their wishes and by persons unknown, to go beyond the end of the Pianista trail to goodness knows where! They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. In a chilling discovery, 90 photos had been snapped on the camera deep in the jungle in the dead of night on April 8 between 1am and 4am - raising questions about who took the pictures. No,they werent murdered. I know that its highly irregular for 17 foreigners to uproot their lives and relocate to the obscure jungles of Panama, especially for the purpose of sacrificing locals (whom are often Catholic). "It is our intention -- almost exactly one month following this tragic accident -- to give proper thanks to all those who supported our families during this difficult time, as well as to have many outstanding questions answered by way of a swift and thorough investigation," the families said in a joint statement. Who would do this, and why? Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. Im not sure if Ive found something new here, but I havent found anyone else discussing these details online. 100 calls to 911, and NOT ONE attempted call to immediate family? I would like to know the answer to that question also. Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. Around 2 oclock. Im not saying that I dont think foul play was involved. I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. Had someone told them about something worth seeing? The last half either had a wrong password, or simply no password at all was entered. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. I wanted to share this article from a big newspaper in Panama. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. If you can rule out getting lost or falling off the trail in that circle, all my money is on foul Whatever happened I believe was not from a man following them. This was a real disappointment, the entry continued. This photo has been edited. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. Thanks for your comment. This tells me that they had a time in their minds of what time to leave to get back to their host home in Boquette. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. Seriously? If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? They took a swim before the trip with to local young man the same day they went in the forest. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. There is no question thats what it is. 90% take place right here in the US in state parks. Apr 4, 2022 The number of international visitor arrivals in Panama surpassed the one million in 2021, after having plummeted to less than 700 thousand as a result of COVID-19 impact on tourism. The rich pay for their own security and the poor resort to vigilantism. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. I bounce around a little and try to get to the crux of the issue. However, according to the Daily Beast: We now know that more than two dozen other victims also were reported in the same region of Panama, including a young woman from the United States found murdered earlier this year. From 2017 . It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. Most of the tourists come from the United States, Canada, Europe, Central America, and South America. Its at the very top of the post. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. If you track the photos she takes her hair down around when she reached the top of the mountain and there are photos taken shortly after this showing her to be fine, in good spirits even. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. The theories go from accident to a crime to a combination of both. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. Is this in dispute? Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. They provide a live accounting of missing-persons cases. by Chris | Jan 29, 2020 | Crime Abroad, Kris Kremers. You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. Nothing can explain the bones, the cut foot, their underwear in one of the backpacks. Given thetimeline, authorities assumedat least one of the womenwas alive at thetime, five days into the search. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. It was the last time anyone saw the women alive. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. The local jungle tribes people have been looking for the girls. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. But I still had that curiosity. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. Both of their phones finally ran out of battery by April 11 - ten days after they disappeared. Hi Abrahm, thank you for your comment. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. You see the pattern to the left and right of her arm. Her stance is weird there is nothing of note she could be looking at and it is difficult to tell what her right arm is doing. We do not know what other clothing or items they possibly took. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? Minha Querida menina. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. And she can only hope that Kris will wake up. So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? The arbitrary pictures looked focused as if steady hands took the shots, suggesting they were intentional. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? Lisanne sets up a SOS with toilet paper and a mirror, hoping to get the attention of the helicopters. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? I dont think there was actual foul play.