2. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. 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We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. 41. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. Sons of vipers! Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. 19 How blind! 8. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Fellowship, guidance, and encouragement of the local church family are essential for believers to maintain an unwavering testimony and a meaningful life of service. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ Wow, nice list. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. 51. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. LOL. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. For they dont practice what they teach. Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). Jesus does that. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. People can ask for clarification if they want. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We told to get married. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. So spontaneous but like it was planned. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. 19:13-15. insidious I like that word. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. Read Matthew 23 for more information. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) 39. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? ? 13. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. How will you escape the judgment of hell? If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. They had made an idol out of church attendance. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Come and join. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. WebGetting to it. I love this!! I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. I thought youd like that. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. God divorced Israel but Not judah..Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of WHAT?? I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. Whats wrong with a tract rack? If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! 44. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? I dont know what Daves intentions were. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. I know the answers now. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 1/2 years ago we were addicted to marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol, and pills. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Oh well, maybe another discussion. No, because thats not Gods will. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. Everyone has sent in their life. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Hypocrites! You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. So I did. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. I truly dont understand this one, ha! If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. Does he always heal people no. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. I did learn a lot. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. Many of these are down right untruthful . You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different.