When can deer be hunted? I have shot enough targets and vermin with a .17 to say that, in my rifles, these statements are unfounded. Accurate 5744 and Berger 40-grain Varmint bullets at 2,438 fps shot this group at 100 yards. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. In the course of accuracy testing the various .17 HMR with Hornady Manufacturing Company bullets either below or in our load database by clicking the 'Matching Loads' button above. 22 gr of Xbr 8208 was 4050, 23 of varget was 4100. Ive loaded A-2495 in the .243 Winchester shooting 70-grain bullets. 6.8 Western I'll be headed to the range this weekend and hope that this new load will shoot accurately while looking for signs that the load may be to hot. The .17 HMR round has a blistering muzzle velocity of 2,500 fps. CCI TNT ammo exceeded its advertised MV by 34 fps, the Federal Premium Similar threads 17 fireball and reloader 10 bobcat93 Apr 12, 2016 Reloading Forum (All Calibers) However, some Marlin Model 336s have been observed with very short throats that may contact the bullet when a cartridge is chambered. CCI BR-4. Paper_Sniper: The load I am about to relay to you has been exceptionally accurate in several 223 Remington Varmint type Rifles I own. My Uberti-made 1858 Remington .44 at 25 yards will put six balls into a 2" group from a benchrest. Some burn cleaner, some have better load densities, but RL15 stands out as the best in my gun yours may well be different. I load 44.5 grains of the powder with Sierra 50-grain BlitzKing bullets for the same velocity from the 26-inch barrel of a Winchester Model 70 Varmint. .17 HMR ammunition is pretty darn good! Today the problem is rectified by properly sourced kit but, as they say, mud sticks. This is using the 25 VMAX and Benchmark. Cartridge Use & HistoryThe .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. exceeded its catalog MV by 108 fps and the CCI A17 load exceeded its I never used RL19, so I have no . Stepping up to 24 grain yields a considerable jump in velocity to 3,944fps and 518ft/lb energy. U.S.-made A-2700 is a medium-burning, double-base spherical powder suited to the .22-250 Remington, .220 Swift and .243 Winchester. When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. Most factory ammo features 50gr to 60gr projectiles.The 22-250 Remington Load Data for Peregrine Bullets is made available to enhance accuracy and consistency for the rifle connoisseur. So if you find yourself in possession of a nice vintage rifle chambered for the .35 Rem., do not despair. Greetings. the average group size between 1.125 MOA and 1.531 MOA across all five With the Adaptive Tactical Tac Hammer barrel on a good, tight Ruger 10/22, these results are possible at a long 100 yards. were shipped to Australian fox hunters than to dealers in the United States because it did not damage pelts as much as larger calibers. 2. The cartridge overall length (COL) is also important for proper feeding from the magazine. Remington 7 1/2. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. like the weather in Eugene, wait a while and it will change.) HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; All The original purpose of the belted magnum concept taken from the .300 H&H Magnum and .375 H&H Magnum, was to provide precise headspace . Plus, these fine-grained powders metered well. I shot LT-32 in two bolt-action .223 Remingtons and LT-30 and LT-32 in a CZ bolt-action 7.62x39. CCI TNT: high 2613 fps; low 2517 fps; extreme spread Copyright 2005 by Chuck Hawks. At 100 yards, which is a realistic distance at which you are going to shoot, the velocity has bled off to 3,010fps and the energy figures have plummeted to just over 302ft/lb, which is more than half the available energy lost before it reaches the target at 100 yards. that the averages below would have been smaller if testing had taken Re: Most accurate 223/5.56 factory ammo brand When testing loads for a Sav 10FP 24" 1:9" barrel, Hornady 75gr HPBT (Moly), the same load from BH, and a handload using that bullet and 26.5gr of Ramshot Big Game shot indistinguishably and quite well. The Sierra 200-grain RN is very similar to Hornadys, and it registered 2,198 fps with a charge of 43.0 grains of LVR; it grouped into an inch or less. As a resultand as a testament to the .35 Rem.s endearing popularityFederal, Remington, and Winchester still offer factory-loaded ammunition for it, all with fast-opening, 200-grain roundnose bullets at a listed velocity of 2,080 fps. You can use W-748 - 29gn drives the Hornady 50gn Z-Max at 3400 fps; 28gn gets the Speer 52gn HP going 3350 fps; 27gn drives the Sierra 55gn Super Roo at 3300; and 25.5gn pushes the Hornady 60gn V-Max along at about 3100 fps. It has a 20-inch barrel with Marlins Micro-Groove rifling and a 1:16-inch twist, and it wears a Cabelas Pine Ridge 3-9X 40mm scope. With 27.0 grains of A-1680, Speer 125-grain, .311-inch bullets leave the CZs 18.5-inch barrel at 2,335 fps. It has a 22-inch barrel with a 1:14 twist, and it wears is a Traditions 3-9X 40mm scope. Using the data guides .223 62,350-psi maximum average pressure loads, I used A-2520 to shoot 60-grain bullets at nearly 3,000 fps, 65-grain bullets at 3,037 fps and 69-grain bullets at 2,788 fps. Federal Hunter Match. placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. Years ago, a friend who worked at Remington informed me that more Model 700 rifles in .17 Rem. rifle to do some accuracy testing to discover what load shoots best in A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. These results speak for themselves. The round isn't just fast. : 4,638 4,917 Press. ballistic coefficient (BC) of this bullet at .123. I have weighed four brands of cases and found considerable variation (10.4 percent) from the lightest (Hornady, at 145.0 grains) and the heaviest (Winchester, at 160.1 grains). I fired a couple of loads with the Barnes 180-grain TTSX in the Outfitter single shot, but I must emphasize that these pointed bullets are suited only for single-shot rifles or pump guns or autoloaders and should not be used in guns with tubular magazines. Make sure to watch till the end. respectable groups, either you or your rifle is probably the source of He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. The M1903 was first used in combat during the Philippine-American War, and it was officially adopted by the United States as the standard infantry rifle on June 19, 1903 . Both bullets are plenty accurate for big-game hunting. Thats as fast as any powder has shot that bullet weight from my 7mm Magnum. The .32-40 and .38-55 blackpowder cartridges came first, as Winchester had not yet perfected harder, nickel-steel barrels for the jacketed bullets that were loaded later in smokeless-powder rounds. The one I have now is a SAKO A1. largest group 2-3/4"; mean average group = 1-13/32". Accurate 2460 and Sierra 69-grain bullets in the .223 Remington combined for these groups at 100 yards. The list of bullets suitable for the .35 Rem. Shooting reloads may void any warranty on your firearm. Moving up in powder capacity, the .17 Mach IV was introduced during the 1960s by Las Vegas gunsmith Vern OBrien, whose custom rifles were on the dainty Sako L46 action. The Remington 7 1/2 BR couldn't be match. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. commodity on earth and we weren't about to waste what we had learned, I fired 21 handloads in the Model 336 and 10 loads in the Outfitter. We offer Hornady load data with over 180.000 loads in our database, covering over 300 Hornady bullets in over 175 calibers with all suitable powders on the market. Choose the most accurate and effective bullet weight in your own gun. velocity/energy figures for this load are 2050 fps and 159 ft. lbs. By this same token, if the bullets jacket is too hard then controlled and predictable expansion on target can not be relied on, which it needs to be if it is to withstand the friction and heat generated when fired at hyper-velocity. This load shot a 1.05-inch group at 100 yards, with four of the bullets in .61 inch. I also load 72gr in a Browning X-bolt, for a good . This fast-burning, double-base, extruded powder is made in Canada. I am sure The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornadys .17 Hornet. In those days, Winchester had the edge on the market with the popular Model 1984 and its fleet of cartridges. : 41,500 50,400 CUP Pressures are about 20,000 pounds per square inch (psi) with 12.0 grains of A-5744 and Lymans 225646 55-grain cast bullet in the .223. For the 5.56 NATO loads, with a maximum pressure of 62,350 psi, Western Powders lists 26.1 grains of A-2200 that shoots the Nosler bullet at a very quick 3,578 fps. Sighted-in about 2 inches high at 100 yards, the FTX load hits only 1 inch low at 200 yards. Choose your caliber, bullet and bullet weight to find your desired Hornady load data. The .223 Remington is America's favorite cartridge according to rifle and ammunition sales. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. And the recommended trim length is 1.910 inches. Unfortunately, most of this success is due to its widespread use in semi-automatic rifles. Bullet Allinant Reloader 10 @ 16.5 gr. Speaking of the guns I used, I was fortunate to have on hand two fine guns chambered for the .35 Rem. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. If you are shooting magpies, crows or other feathered vermin then a rapidly expanding 15-grain or 18-grain Berger is just the ticket. The All loads were fired at a distance of 50 yards from the benchrest in my shooting building. MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. For my money, the best all-round bullets for the .35 Rem. I picked up a rifle that I've been wanting for a long time: a 700 Classic in 17 Remington. I later bought an OBrien rifle in .17 Mach IV, and after shooting it for about 10 years, I sold it to a collector. varmint bullet at a MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. This the standard, not the Fireball. Mag. It can be loaded in the .22 Hornet and in the .223 Remington with 55-grain and lighter bullets. | 71 fps; average = 2775 fps. Oleman Regardless, it was a foolish stunt. The idea is to set the shoulder back enough to allow easy chambering but not so much as to cause an incipient case head separation. Well, the reasons are simple. of in all my years of chronograph testing. The riflescopes This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. The only modification is a HS Varmint stock. H-4350 shot the bullets 98 fps faster than Accurate and 43 fps faster than IMR. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. These bullets fired slightly at a velocity above 1,600 fps are pretty much at full-power from the Marlins 18.5-inch barrel stiff recoil verified it. We used the four I'll be trying a load .5 gr. Groups hover around an inch at 100 yards. Want to buy a single issue of Shooting Times, Sporting Gun or Airgun Shooter. of sight. I use a book max load of varget of 24.5g and 25 grain berger match HP's. Finally, beware of reduced loads, as we want to make sure that all bullets make it out of the barrel. Oehler Model 20 chronograph with Model 50 electronic screens spaced 10 feet. Since the .35 Rem. I have attempted to chamber Remington ammo in two .17 Mach IV rifles. It's interesting to see actual velocity figures for The chronograph was The early models were chambered in a suite of cartridges that covered the American hunters needs. Now we are getting somewhere and all the pressure signs are good. sighting-in all the rifles or the 60+ rounds that we fired in the Location. Chuck Hawks shares .17 Rifle Accuracy Test Results . Groups were nice round clusters, not two here and three there. Ballistic uniformity was just fine, with the coefficient of variation (C.O.V.) The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. 4831 is the better powder for the 25/06. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! and 28-degree shoulder. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. Neither the author nor Outdoor Sportsman Group assumes any liability for accidents or injury resulting from the use or misuse of this data. The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. Loading up All this gives the FTX a higher ballistic coefficient of .300 versus .195 for a roundnose bullet of the same weight. is recommended for this task. WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. Remington brass and the Federal 205M primer were used in all the following loads. The .223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. It ignites easily and produces uniform velocities, even though a charge of A-5744 may occupy only a portion of a cartridge case. I calculated the This bullet is a plastic-tip, boat-tail design that is Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. It never failed, allways shot them behind the shoulder. Ballistic coefficients of those with plastic tips are considerably higher than the hollowpoints. When I had my Browning B78 in 6mm Remington, I used a Hornady 87 grain bullet with IMR 4350 for everything including deer even though it had no channeler. A number of the cartridges were Ackleys designs while the others had been sent to him by various other developers for inclusion in his two-volume Handbook For Shooters & Reloaders. These were with 25gr Hornady hp's seated .005" off . Nevertheless, there was only a .5-inch difference between the groups shot with the three powders. Nov 26, 2017. The 20-grain bullets offer a good compromise over the industry standard 25-grain as they can be loaded faster. Powder shortages over the last few years have also aided Accurates acceptance, as handloaders turned to alternatives for unavailable favorites. After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. Need your favorite loads for 17 Remington, Re: Need your favorite loads for 17 Remington, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Ruger No. A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. (I used Hornady dies in my Redding T-7 Turret press to prepare the handloads for this article. CCI A17 load was chronographed using a Savage A17 test rifle with a 22" The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. Best of luck with the Cooper Rifle. load in a winchester mod. The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. The Berger reloading manual shows the exact same maximum powder charge weights for both. The 260 Remington is essentially the old wildcated 6.5-08, a 308 necked down to the .264 bullet. A 24-grain payload of RL15 shot the 20-grain V-Max out at 4,040fps on a cold day and 4,120fps on a hot one, with 25 grain absolute max grounding out at 4,200fps fast enough for anyone. 24.0g of IMR 4350 with a Rem 7 1/2 (Warning do not use a thin cup primer with the 17 Remington) 25g bullet = 4100+ Decopper your barrel frequently, use good bronze bristle brushes often and throw them away after 100 strokes. Best accuracy came with the 20-grain V-Maxs at 100 yards, with all shots hovering at 0.45in. My personal-for-my- Caspiangun-only most accurate load came from them pesky Rainier 200g PHPs that I couldn't get to run right until I loaded them over a wee bit (3.8g) of Bullseye. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. All rights reserved. recoil. You find 3 loads in caliber .17 Rem. claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. Hornady Load Data. Starting and maximum charges vary slightly in the Hornady manual, but no more than to be expected from different lots of the same powders or slight differences in barrels, cases and bullets. Power Pro 2000MR, IMR 4064, VV N135, TAC, and X-Terminator showed promise with good groups and low C.O.V.s. 100 yard groups running from .5 minute of angle (MOA) to .9375 MOA and Bought one several years ago, since I load 17HH and 17 Rem. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. The 25 gr. Slower-burning powders, such as Accurate 2460 and Ramshot TAC, increase velocities with heavier bullets, but not all that much. 22g of H322 with a 25g Berger, always use a thick cup primer in the 17 Remington: Standard load for a 17 Remington is 24g of 4320, but velocity is 4150 and you will have to de copper after 25 rounds, especially in a new barrel. Roundnose bullets that mimic factory loads are available from Hornady and Sierra. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. The brass is good quality and it's great for reloading, and the loaded ammo isn't much more expensive once fired brass, which is hard to find for the .22 Hornet. Bullet weight: 168, 180 Berger HVLDs. Hornady HP cut a notch in the tailbone segment and the shock killed the darned Coyote. The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. Barrel Break-In: What It Is. In the .25-06, Hornady 75-grain V-MAX bullets topped out at 3,508 fps with 56.5 grains of the powder. The 7mm Remington Magnum rifle cartridge was introduced as a commercially available round in 1962, along with the new Remington Model 700 bolt-action rifle.It is a member of the belted magnum family that is directly derived from the venerable .375 H&H Magnum. MagPro loaded in the .270 Winchester shot two different 150-grain bullets a touch slower than 2,900 fps. My 7RM did really well with H1000 with 168 and 180 HVLDs.