As a Yankee fan, Im much more resentful of the Yankees keeping their YES Network off of all of the streaming services except Direct TV. 3rd ARB year was supposed to be $21.5 MM. They played their home games at Truist Park (Park Factors: 114/116) where 3,129,931 fans witnessed their 2022 Braves finish the season with a .623 winning percentage. Im a huge mets fan but the braves are the best run organization in baseball by far. Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. I think there is some advantage, that doesnt show up on the balance sheet, when you lock in your young players. Also, by disabling these cookies you will also disable banner ads served by Google Adsense on this website.. For more information about these items, view our complete privacy policy.Read More. https://community.fangraphs.com/velocity-and-the-likelihood-of-tommy-john-surgery/. But not to worry, I did that for you. Obviously Strider is going to take the guaranteed money because that takes care of his family for generations. FF fired his agent. Rct and Cosmos2 are the two Met commenters on the site that most fit this description. His arbitration would have been in line with the highest ever. Being healthy doesnt make you as good. The lot of before money is hopeful at best. Strider was 11-5 with a 2.67 ERA in 31 games this season. Some young players start off with a bang and then quickly regress (think of Miguel Andujar with the NYY) while other players (especially pitchers) can get hurt and be out for more than a full season. $35M (2028 Option). Then you wont be signing him. Hes top ten talent. Sign Grissom to an extension? While Strider was certainly pleased with the contract, the satisfaction he felt Monday extended to the fact that it appears he will be available to pitch in some role during the NLDS, which begins on Tuesday against the Phillies. Notice I mentioned that those numbers were for 7 years of Swansons production? Who are the Braves going to play at SS the 25% plus of the time Correas on the bench w/his bad back? October 6, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider from the 15-day injured list. Baseball will become a joke as far as competition is concerned. To see the rest of the Spencer Strider's contract breakdowns, & gain access to all of Spotrac's Premium tools, sign up today. He started the season in Atlanta. The greatest lineups ever? His slap happy approach at the plate seems very much at odds w/the Braves patient, high exit velocity hitting philosophy. He didnt go to the Yankees because he was a Yankee fan. That could really escalate the arb figures. The way they draft and are able to get their players so sign long term for under market value is second to none. Striders been out for close to a month recovering from a mild oblique strain. Total Zone Rating and initial framework for Wins above Replacement calculations provided by Sean Smith. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. Theyve been doing well to develop revenue streams and having them as serious generators by the time the current contract is up, and when a new one is signed, they should be up there in annual budgets (and profitability). Good thing you waited until Strider got lit up in playoffs to respond. Braves dont even have enough to trade for a SS. I disagree with this because the Mets basically played .600 most of the season. Swanson is not as good as those guys. In terms of his personal life, he is in a relationship with Maggie, a young and lovely girl. He easily would have been a Super 2 as well. Contact doesnt increase as bat speed wains, hand eye coordination deteriorates, and eye sight worsens. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. My bad for expecting anything you say to make sense. Spencer Strider baseball stats with batting stats, pitching stats and fielding stats, along with uniform numbers, salaries, quotes, career stats and biographical data presented by Baseball Almanac. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. Cant do it? ================================ Thats why you compare first full season and Harvey was a lot better. Braves give long term deals to guys that will be younger when the deal is done. Spencer Strider Position: Pitcher Bats: Right Throws: Right 6-0 , 195lb (183cm, 88kg) Team: Atlanta Braves (majors) More bio, uniform, draft, salary info 65 Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. Isnt that the first requirement necessary to qualify for the extra service time youre referencing above? October 28, 1998 Swanson has not been nearly as good as Baez was prior to signing with the Tigers. Spencer Strider sets an Atlanta Braves record with 16 Ks in a game!!!!!! Braves: Spencer Strider offers plenty of blame for rough weekend vs Mets. Im sure Ill get roasted with comments on letting Shewmake run with SS but Im trying to be reasonable. Also, Swanson played all 60 games in 2020 and he missed only 2 games total in the 21-22 seasons. He could easily see $17m, 2om after this down year, then 28m. Hes the steady eddie kind of player that gets under valued by fans. He also only had 10 starts. Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. But this deal also looks ok for the Atlanta ball club even if you factor a 20 percent likelihood of a derailing injury midway through the deal. Think hes still representing himself. The only way this deal makes sense is if he becomes an inner-circle Hall-of-Fame pitcher who is the greatest pitcher of our generation. You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. $200 per post at $10/CPM. @mets. They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Thats more than any other team in baseball. Max Fried who was a Super 2 player is going into year 5, third arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $12.2M in his second to last trip through arbitration an will have earned a grand total of $22.5M through 5 years. 2 top 5 MVP finishes before his first 2 arb seasons. Ill I know is Harvey dominated in playoffs and Strider just got lit up. 2w Edited Practically anyone who can browse streaming TV services in the first place can do it. If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. Now the baseball world is looking forward to what he could do while serving as a starter over an entire season. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: The Atlanta Braves have placed right-hander Spencer Strider on the 15-day injured list with a strained left oblique muscle. You are making a lot of wild assumptions. I really hope Dansby is extended and I think he will (hes a local guy and by all accounts loves being a Brave). In the past couple of years, they built a brand new stadium and spring training facility. The Braves arent getting a $100 ticket and hoping for either behind the dugouts or in the suite. Second, thats only the top end scale. They signed him to a lucrative six-year, $75 million extension on October 10. Mychal Givens, the only one of the Orioles healthy relievers who [] He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. I also would like to see how Strider does next year before extending him. Let's check, How Rich is Efra, Duane Theiss estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. When hes banging 25-30 HRs, hell be at best a mid-.800 OPS, nowhere near the $40M/year people believe he will get! 18 Noah Syndergaards arb years: $3M (2018), $6M (2019), $9.7M x 2 (2020 & 2021). They are most likely greatly overpaying on those arbitration years. No, hes *NOT* a Super Two candidate. Apply it to all of the offensive players theyve done the same with. Thats an unlikely worst case for a phenomenal SP, but its there. One BB fewer per 9 and hes right around peak Jacob deGrom. And Gerrit Cole with the Angels. Sure, but then what if in those 2 years he continues putting up league-high K-rates, gets Cy votes (or wins), AS selections that increases his value exponentially, if he even wants to extend at that point. Without me teaching you how trade valuations are correctly built, I cant debate with because I think so, I have to explain how I got that answer. Yeah Anthopoulos has spent right to the cap limit if he brings back Swanson! . I cannot wait for the Braves/Phillies series to start in a few hours. Soto is going back to the Nats after 2024. Worry about your own team of aging stars and average players. Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. No one here, or elsewhere, has any idea how that process is currently going w/Swanson. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. Cashman still living off of the Coattails of the late 90s Yankee teams and Derek Jeter. So yeah, cost of living is a factor. You are assuming that Strider wont be Top 2 in ROY voting. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance While Steve offers a hypothesis of free agent years costing $40M or more annually, the reality is Scherzer may be the best pitcher of his generation, Kershaw and Verlander included and his $40M was clearly an overpay, evem on a short deal. Im curious how the bonuses would impact arbitration. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. And Fried is the one you need to worry about locking up. The league would never agree to that. @BaseballIsLife Thats not what the rule is. Spencer Strider is one of the best young pitchers in the Atlanta Braves organization. Strider finished with a 11-5 record, 2.62 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP through 31 games. Troll on books. the only reason they have been able to sign this massive core of players is because theyre taking risks and signing them very early. $18M (2026) Strider kept it humble when discussing the extension with 'Bally Sports': The Atlanta Braves will begin their NLDS series against Bryce Harper and the Philadelphia Phillies on Tuesday. Sunday Funday is here, which means fantasy baseball waiver claims are, too. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. Another problem is the harder you throw, the more stress you put on your arm and the more likely you are to get injured. Going to be stunned if AA downgrades at SS w/their current competitive excellence at all other positions except left field. Many of the projections I saw had the Braves winning the division. Lets say $30 mil for year 3. (Age 22-338d, If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? These deals take trust on both sides. Not sure what your point is, but throwing 100 mph doesnt mean crap for a number of reasons, one there are guys like Mauricio Cabrera:, Bruce Rondn, Henry Alberto Rodriguez:, Joel Zumaya:, Tayron Guerrero, Bobby Parnell, who have touched 103 mph and none have made anywhere near that money and all had problems turning velocity into results. Union before player, always. Agree MFF. Strider threw his changeup 109 times in 2022 and, among pitchers who threw at least that many, his 47.5% miss rate when . He will fall off before he ever gets those record numbers. Being represented by Frontline he got himself a nice contract plus doesnt have to worry about fleas & ticks, Repd by Frontline and now hes got Bravecto. Armed with a four-seam fastball averaging 98.5 MPH and a slider sporting a 42.9% whiff rate, Strider possesses exciting fantasy upside with his ability to miss bats and sport a low WHIP and ERA . We can stay the underdog and underrated for all I care . Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. Unless youre LA, NY or Boston, you play early. The team looking to sign Swanson should have some concerns that his 2022 is unlike anything prior. They might not be able to re-sign Swanson because of this deal adding $15M to the cap due to his cap adjusted salary and if they do, they no longer can pursue DeGrom or another big named pitcher. Thought I was being clear there C Yards. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. Its not a bargain. Past that, I think all these extensions are based on the character of the player as much as talent. Anyone who signs Judge will definitely regret that deal in a couple years! I do think its a little harder in Boston/New York because success there translates to big dollars everywhere. Everyone picked the Mets some even had ATL in 3rd place in the East cause Freeman left. No Gavin Lux -- big problem. The players are definitely buying what the Braves are selling. Its not their young pitching, its pitching in general. I told them but they didnt listen to me. I was a little shocked at how quickly and how high Striders pay jumps. Average MLB salary rose to record $4.22M in . So what? Kudos to him if he wants to do it; cant blame him for being happy to take nine figures to stay with his hometown team and to stay with this core of players but there should be a lot more on the market for him than that. They may as well take it. Most annoying 3-2 hitter Ive watched all season. Yes, he started the season, which means he already has a full year of service time. In fact, you should not make a purchase without a calculator, a phone call to a certified public accountant, and night courses in math at the local community college. Swanson 11.2 WAR. Strider has two pitches. Again, he is NOT a Super Two, and you cant in any way assume that he will continue to remain this good. They arent regretting losing Rendon. Almost everyone gave up on the Braves when they were 10.5 games back in the NL East. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Right?? A year ago, the Super 2 status was set a 2 years and 116 days, which is about normal, even low in recent years with most Super 2 status cutoffs falling in the 130s. Strider has coerced whiffs on more than 37 percent of the swings taken against his fastball in the upper-third of the zone this season. Have a better case that shows why you would gamble paying $53M for three arb years to save $8M in free agency? The Braves are collecting talent at bargain prices, while the Marlins are paying too much for Avi Garcia and Jorge Soler, The Mets will pay a ton for for Brandon Sir Only Walks And Nothing Else Nimmo, the Phillies are paying a fortune to Harper who is the Carmelo Anthony of baseball (OK, but much better), and the Nats can no longer get stars to sign with them. If he continues to dominate, his arm years wouldve skyrocketed. Fried is also entering his 5th full season but his 3rd arb year and hes set to make $12.2M for an All-Star appearance, 2 GG, 1 SS, and a career FIP of 3.30. Imagine they had given a deal like this to Mike Soroka after his amazing rookie season in 2019. Baez/Story trending down, Swanson up. The earliest Strider could have been arb eligible was after 2024. This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. When Cleveland was playing TB, they had lunchtime games. This is why Swanson will end up in LAD replacing Trea Turner, while theyll save 80-100M, reuniting Swansong with Freeman, and more importantly, Charlie. Copyright 2000-2023 Sports Reference LLC. Itll be a long time before someone gets a deal over $35M/yr and 7-years long. us. The Braves will have a formidable starting rotation with Strider, Max Fried and Kyle Wright for years to come. The dudes who write for this site were linking Cole to the Angels. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors. They are the agents that rep him. A.J. Yeah, selling tickets is all that matters. With the shift going away, how can anyone think Olsons production is going to go down is beyond me. Spencer Robert Strider (born October 28, 1998) is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Atlanta Braves of Major League Baseball (MLB). Victor Vodnik, RHP 14. Is your life so empty that you pore over comments in three week old articles in search of targets for your insults? Besides, theyre already overpaying him in this extension in the first place. My guess is he re-signs w/the Braves. Let's check, How Rich is Duane, What is the Net Worth of Spencer Strider? Thats $75M gone off the top, bringing their net total to $175M.If that same deal gets signed in New York, you can take extra $25M off. eligible. All I see is people talking about record setting arb numbers without providing examples with any math. The average Plug and Play Tech Center salary ranges from approximately $53,527 per year for an Intern to $304,574 per year for a Director. But if he is what it looks like he could be, its a steal. As of January 2022, 23% of starting pitchers in MLB and 26% of all pitchers have had TJ surgery. But they know that by having a huge core of players, their total risk will decrease and one or two could be replaced with gem finds at trade deadlines like AA is known for. He will finish 2023 with 2 years and 3 days of service time not even close to the top 22% of players in his class. It doesnt pertain to him except for bonus money. Swanson is probably walking. He earned his initial schooling at the Christian Academy of Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee. I mean this in total sincerity, if you love this deal, you should never manage a real team, let alone budget your own finances personally. Exceeded rookie limits during 2022 season, 2023 Contract Status: On the other hand, thats a trivial concern when juxtaposed with the benefit of having so many high-end players signed for the next six-plus seasons. LOL Strider had it Right all along. Player page for Spencer Strider of the Atlanta Braves. Sure, but yeah, lets compare his hit totals today which rewards the Rob Deers of the world versus Ty Cobbs and George Sislers era where whole teams hit 15-25 homeruns in a season. In Braves speak, that means hes hitting FA. So now we have $55 mil. It happens, occasionally. Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. Thats not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Striders case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm. It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? Jealousys an ugly emotion. Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? It does, however, mean the Braves get an extra draft pick. PLAYER. Or theyre being proactive to keep future payroll in check and balanced out so they dont get caught with uncertain arbitration costs in the future. Anyone signing him to a Story like deal feels like a major overpay. Spencer Strider is still a rookie for the Atlanta Braves, but he has the potential to advance to the major leagues. Guy is putting up Randy Johnson numbers. Paying for velo in todays game where everyone throws hard, is like paying $25M/year for Kiermaier to win GGs in CF. Roy would give him a full year of service time but he already has the full year of service time. Hope you enjoyed this seasons episode of LOLMets Choketober and made the appropriate notation in whatever book you refer to in your user name, the book of hurt I assume. Thats before considering a slate of arbitration-eligible players headlined by lefty Max Fried, whos projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn more than $12MM in 2023. I believe 2027 is the final year of that infamous TV deal that hasnt been the cash cow many other lesser franchises have benefitted from. BTV? The estimates above are crazy. Players dont sign extensions to be traded. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. If thats the key, then they failed, since theyre significantly overpaying for those arb years. Hes going to get over paid by somebody. Worst case scenario is he becomes Matt Harvey. Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. He hasnt performed at even close to their level. Not two years. He has not stated how much he was paid by the teams while getting picked by the MLB. And like I said before, he wouldnt even qualify for the ERA title. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. I wouldnt just throw around $140M in proven assets for $140M in prospects. Five years from now, a 28-year-old top-of-the-rotation pitcher in free agency will probably be getting $40MM+ per year. The Braves paid him $75M. Thats pretty much the point: Those arbitration payouts are only worth it at about a 95%+ projection of his future value, whereas they should be paying close to the 50% projection if even that much. You dont need to extend Grissom. You also dont know whether he took the extension in order to lock up significant money, as a hedge against injury, or because he and his agent wanted to advance pitcher salaries for others. Again, perhaps Im wrong, its my outsiders perspective. SALARY Bo Bichette, SS, TOR. "My goal is always to outperform any expectations," Strider said. Research when he was drafted by the Yankees coming out of High School. Data Provided By Why dont you whine about how well the Braves evaluate, draft, and develop their players while youre trolling. Players dont sign team friendly controls anymore (Jose Ramirez says youre wrong). It allows them to know exactly how much room they have left in the budget. Spencer Strider was born in Columbus, Ohio on October 28, 1998. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? Story 16.2 WAR He would have gone there if the contract offer was higher. Overall, Strider broke out with 131 2/3 innings of 2.67 ERA ball and a 38.3% strikeout rate that paced all big leaguers who pitched at least 100 innings. If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. His skills will deteriorate with age. The Mets only have one tool in the toolbox and that tool is green if you know what I mean. And it becomes contagious in the clubhouse imo. Thank god, the contract was signed today based on his performance this year. the Mets won the same number of games the Braves did1and Strider got lit up in the only big game he ever pitched inDid he have a good season, yes. Hopefully Strider has a great career and its not an issue, but if it goes poorly thats not going to be a fun contract to have on the books in 2026-2028. That earned him a six-year extension worth $75 million. If you wait a year or two and he continues to pitch well, then his pricetag doubles. Per SNY's Andy Martino, the Mets are hesitant to go up to four years if another team offered four at a high salary figure for the two-time Cy Young winner, who opted out of the remaining two years of the five-year . And guess what? Its all Monopoly money past a certain point and this core has dynasty potential. 2024: minimum As for real estate, go check the difference. Strider burst on the scene this year as he posted a 2.67 ERA with 202 strikeouts over 31 appearances (20 starts), becoming the first Braves rookie in the Modern Era to have a 200-strikeout season. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. Since 2019, His FA years would go up from than final season of arbitration eligibility. So basically they guaranteed his arbitration scale in exchange for an extra year, with an option for another year for more money. Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. A pitcher with arm troubles will usually have some for of trouble again and that volatility is increased exponentially by the stature of the pitcher. Yeah, then every utility bench player with a heart of gold should make $10-15M a year. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. Especially not when youre right, lol. Spencer Strider is on Twitter at SpencerSTRIDer. They wont because the union wont allow it to only benefit a segment of the members. Shewmakes going to be lucky to carve out a career as a utility player for a 2nd Division team. Had they manipulated his service time and he was a ROY finalist hed get credited with a full year of service time and the Braves would get no draft pick. Its just false. Strider has improved his reputation this season. Theres talk ones coming. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. Ill hang up and listen. His love of the New York night life and illegal substances didnt help his career along either. So say he has an impingement, needs surgery, and turns into a 4 ERA SP who goes 120 innings a yearabout the worst case for a dominant 23 year old. He will earn $1 million per season in 2023 and 2024, $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 2026, and $22 million per season in 2027-2028. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. No, the alternative is to wait an extra year or two before extending him and then not overpaying for his arb years if/when you do still decide to extend him. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. Ugh! I would imagine the MLBPA, other pitchers around the league, and the agents that represent those pitchers are all thrilled to see this contract. It very well could be a bad deal for his team if he cant continue the level of dominance he showed this year or has constant injury problems. Acuna had a 41/37 season after he signed, and was in his way to winning the MVP last year before the injury. If he doesnt get a full year of service next season, it is because he sucked or he was suspended by the league for performance enhancing substances, lawsuits or criminal issues! Super Twos are players who barely missed the full year. Between the four teams, he went 3-7 with a 2.64 ERA, 153 strikeouts, and 94 innings pitched. Have to disagree that Baez and Story have more upside than Swanson at this point in their careers. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. By the way, dont tell me what to I can or cant link to for reference, furthermore, people dont rewrite the same theories every year! "EXTENDED @Braves have signed RHP Spencer Strider to a six year contract extension worth $75M.