Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. The .358 Win. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? exlcusive user. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. Mag. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. Bottles & 12-oz. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. | Norma loads their 250-grain Oryx bullet to this velocity, and as the rear portion of the bullet is bonded, it will give an excellent blend of expansion and penetration. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. The .356 Win. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. The .35 Rem. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. If the .35 Rem. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? The .300 Rem. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Here are the features to watch out for. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. would follow that tradition. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. Why the .35 Rem. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. As it turned out, having a great punch was not enough for either one. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Either way, the Newton is the unbelted twin of the .358 Norma. [/quote]. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. i have a 35 whelen and love it. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. G. Joined: Sep 2009. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. For this reason, anyone acquiring a .358 Norma should start low with every load and work up slowly and carefully. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. These were, primarily, the Schultz & Larsen (Denmark), the Husqvarna (Sweden) and a few Browning High Powers made by FN in Belgium. Not so the .358 Norma. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. Mag. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. and .358 Norma Mag.). plowed fresh ground. It was an 03 Springfield action, unknown barrel, very nice piece of wood, all the fancy metal work done (custom trigger, side safety ala Rem 700, cocking knob and safety removed, milled floorplate, forged bolt, speedloader slots removed, D&T'd ,polished and blued). The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. Oklahoma. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Also, after a few dozen elk hunts, Ive seen many taken effectively with lighter cartridges. There are several reasons. An earlier Western Cartridge load delivered 2,660 fps, which I suspect is closer to the truth. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. .50 Beowulf. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. The cartridge would be championed by Denys Finch Hatton (of Out of Africa fame), John Pondoro Taylor and Pete Pearson, and would be used by Baron Bror von Blixen-Fineke as well. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. He, too, could have been one of the greats. Posts: 46,063. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. ), but with considerably less recoil. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. Mag. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. 1 Item (s) Show per page. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. and the .32 Win. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Mag. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Subscriber Services. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. What keeps it alive? The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. The .358 Norma Mag. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. Thats a question I just dont understand. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. It was recovered in bits and pieces. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. You can start with the 6.5mms. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. It is capable of driving a. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. of muzzle energy. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. figure of 0.300 is desirable, and comparing similar cartridges, youll see the .350 Rigby comes in a bit behind the other popular choices of the day. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. Bottles & 12-oz. It never got up. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. It has never failed me. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. and .32 Rem. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. with a similar 180-grain bullet. .470 Nitro Express. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. These include some of my favorites, such as the .358 Winchester and .45-70. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Either of the other two cartridges mentioned will work just fine also. Mag. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. I had the privilege of spending some time with a 1917 vintage take-down Rigby-Mauser rifle while on a hunt in Scotland, and the words sweet shooting came quickly to mind. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem.
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